Comments on: The Argument for Convenience https://tridentconcepts.com/2018/09/01/the-argument-for-convenience/ Where Concepts Meet Reality Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:48:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Jeff Gonzales https://tridentconcepts.com/2018/09/01/the-argument-for-convenience/#comment-21681 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:48:24 +0000 https://www.tridentconcepts.com/?p=9280#comment-21681 In reply to Billy.

Hello Billy,

Thank you for your reply, I’m sorry it took so long.

I hear what you are saying and understand the difference. I might have been better off using different language to express my point.

Reference the odds, yes…the point I was trying to make.

I can understand how you would feel regarding the status check prior to jocking-up. One thing we do know is the frequency of said actions do create the environment for a negative outcome via unintended consequences. Do a search on bullet setup to see what I’m talking about.

Good luck.

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By: Billy https://tridentconcepts.com/2018/09/01/the-argument-for-convenience/#comment-18602 Sun, 02 Sep 2018 13:30:07 +0000 https://www.tridentconcepts.com/?p=9280#comment-18602 Jeff…

I’m certainly not trying to play devil’s advocate.

A couple of thoughts from an old guy who has learned a lot of new tricks, especially the last 2 decades.

Making the assumption that an ND is more likely to occur due to more repetitions removing/inserting the handgun from the holster, is statistically incorrect. A defined event (ND in this discussion) is not going to occur more or less often if repetitions are increased from 1 to 10 to 100, or even 1000. Statistical “Confidence Levels” remain constant as repetitions increase.

Yet, and here’s where I think you are tracking…human factors such as complacency. And I agree, if safety is marginalized due to human factors, an ND is more likely to occur. But this is “odds” and not statistical “probability” associated with repetitions.

Some thoughts regarding doffing the handgun/holster combo and removing same.
I have tried removing the combo as a unit. But, I feel I perform a safer movement by removing the gun from the holster and then removing my belt and holster. I believe my “odds” are greater dropping the combo on the ground or doing some other unsafe movement with a loaded, holstered weapon while the majority of my focus is on removing my belt from my jeans/trousers through tight holster belt loops. Regardless of method, one’s complete and undivided attention must be tuned to doffing or removing the weapon from one’s body. Again, mitigate human factors that may contribute to an undesired event. Bad things happen when humans lose focus handling weapons.

And I always, after removing the weapon from secure storage, perform a press check, remove the mag and confirm full state. I don’t think I could ever have peace of mind regarding the state of a weapon if belting a weapon/holster combo that I had not checked for state of readiness. There’s another repetitive event.

Thanks for the article(s)…always thought provoking reads!

Cheers!

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By: Joe Sullivan https://tridentconcepts.com/2018/09/01/the-argument-for-convenience/#comment-18590 Sat, 01 Sep 2018 23:12:15 +0000 https://www.tridentconcepts.com/?p=9280#comment-18590 Right on brother! It should be the 5th gun safety rule for those that carry. I only take mine out of holster to shoot it, clean it (admit I don’t do that enough) or to put it in gun safe.

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